New Playboy Interview with Brin and Page

Fwded by someone at work… pretty funny,  but I still prefer the first interview they did (http://www.google-watch.org/playboy.html) especially given its consequences 🙂

 


 

April 1, 2006

 

Playboy Contributing Editor Dan Schlep met again with the Google founders at the Googleplex for a reunion interview. "As was the case the last time, Brin was playing a sweaty game of volleyball when I arrived,” reported Schlep. Dragged in shoeless from the court, Brin contemplated questions with great seriousness while occasionally stabbing a Google intern with a sharp fork. Schlep writes: "Throughout our conversation, he and Page, who wore pants, rarely sat down. Instead they stood up, leaned on their chair backs, climbed on their chairs and wandered about the windowed conference room. It’s apparently impossible to sit still when you have ADHD.”

PLAYBOY: Has Google become less fun because of quarterly reports and the scrutiny of investors?

PAGE:  What could be more fun that getting Scott McNealy to make a fool of himself on a stage begging us to buy some equipment from Sun? I mean Eric Schmidt agreed to clean up the jet after our last party just to be the executive on stage when Scott made a spectacle of himself.

BRIN: There are still bits of tofu in the carpet of the jet from that food fight.  Eric should keep his day job.

PLAYBOY: As I noted last time, you originally wanted no telephones at Google. How is that working out?

BRIN: That was Larry. He was dating our VP Marissa Meyer at that point and didn’t see the advantages of having women "cold call" him.

PLAYBOY: Do you subscribe to any particular management theories, or do you make them up as you go?

PAGE:  We watch a lot of movies like Monkey Business. I mean, when Groucho says: " Oh, I know it’s a penny here and a penny there, but look at me. I worked myself up from nothing to a state of extreme poverty." I mean its so profound. If he were still alive, we would make him our CFO.  On the investor relations side, I love it when Captain Corcoran says: "Stockholders, huh? Well, you look like a couple of stowaways to me…"

BRIN: Then Groucho says: "Well, don’t forget, my fine fellow, that the stockholder of yesteryear is the stowaway of today."  That is the unofficial motto in the executive cubicles in the Googleplex.  You can find that motto in the notes in the PowerPoint presentation from the last analyst day.

PAGE: We took that PowerPoint down. Remember?

BRIN:  Ohh yaah, …  I mean, we really use OpenOffice here exclusively– McNealy probably transferred the format to PowerPoint.  Eric says Scott is always doing that out of habit since it is standard practice at Sun. We had Scott create slides for us since he is so desperate to get that equipment order. We let him have the information since he is right that privacy is dead and people should get over it.

PAGE:  It’s so great to have Scott making statements like that about privacy since it makes us look reasonable when we know more or less everything about our audience.   I mean, McNealy is the Dr. Evil of privacy.   As an aside, Sun’s whole grid thing is a hoot!  The telephone companies just Made Scott man of the year hoping people buy all that connectivity.

BRIN: After he did that PowerPoint, I mean Open Office work, we took Scott on a snipe hunt. He may still be up in the hills holding the gunny sack waiting for snipe.

PLAYBOY: How will you avoid the mistakes of many other dot-coms? After their IPOs, employees became more focused on the stock price than on their jobs. Many of those companies are gone.

PAGE: Those companies are not good analogues for Google.  People like the former Chef for the Grateful Dead are not leaving Google because they are rich.

BRIN:  Errr, yes he did.

PAGE:  No wonder the food has gone to heck in a hand basket.  There are way less mushrooms in every dish..

PLAYBOY: But like you, these dot com failures were Internet-focused technology companies. What’s the difference?

PAGE:  Those companies did not have the right ratio to math geniuses to PR geniuses. Look, we’ve done the math on this.

PLAYBOY: The math?

BRIN: Yah it’s a big formula with lots of Greek letters in it.  You would not grok it.. I mean mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination

PAGE: Math is like love; a simple idea, but it can get complicated.

PLAYBOY: Are you happy?

PAGE: Yes, finally. The dot-com period was difficult for us. We were dismayed in that climate.

PLAYBOY: What dismayed you?

PAGE: We had to pretend that Wired magazine was something we actually wanted to read.

PLAYBOY: Companies tried to buy you, too. Did you ever consider selling Google?

PAGE: Yes.  All of us wanted to sell but Eric.  He has this blood feud thing going with Redmond.  In private, he literally foams at the mouth when you mention Microsoft.

BRIN: It’s is like episode #35 of The Simpsons."Blood Feud" I think they called it. Eric is always insulting  Microsoft execs. In #35, Mr. Burns gets mad that Homer called him a "senile, bucktoothed, bony armed, liverspotted and chinless" but Homer never said anything about liverspots or Burns’s chin. Eric does the same thing.

PLAYBOY: Is your company motto really “Don’t be evil”?

BRIN: No.  It is: "Better to look good and be lucky, than be good."

PLAYBOY: Is it a written code?

BRIN: Yes, we programmed it in COBOL 97.  We have other rules, too.

PAGE: We allow people to spend 20% of their time staging PR stunts, for example.

BRIN: Speaking of PR, as for “Don’t be Evil,” we have tried to define precisely what it means to be a force for good, so our motto for PR purposes could be "do good"— but there is this guy Popper who says you can’t prove anything, only disprove things.

PAGE:  So we reversed "do good" to say "don’t be evil" so we could comply with Popper’s rule and actually prove it! [rich white guys high five each other]

PLAYBOY: Er, you can’t prove that either — do good and don’t be evil are the same thing.

BRIN: Look, we did not take philosophy classes. Ok?  We were in the lab programming.

PLAYBOY: Who ultimately decides what is "looking good and being lucky"? Eric Schmidt, your CEO, once said, “Looking good is whatever Sergey decides.”

PAGE:  Eric has no fashion sense and I’m a dork on these issues. That that leaves Sergey. Its was a process of elimination.

PLAYBOY: How does the process work?

BRIN: We scan the fashion trends in geekdom using Google images. Somebody’s always upset no matter what we do. We have to make a decision; otherwise there’s a never-ending debate. Some issues are crystal clear.  Let’s say we are choosing the music for the elevators. Echo and the Bunneymen and Devo, of course, rule. But then there is Elvis Costello– and all that politically incorrect stuff in his past. I mean Alison is a great song. but you need to draw the line…

PAGE: When the decisions are less clear and opinions differ, sometimes we have to break a tie. We throw a Google intern off of the Stanford clock tower and if he lands head first, the answer is yes. Tails, its no. If it is questionable how the intern landed, then we throw off another intern.  The Mayans and the Incas did this and they we very good with math for their time.

PLAYBOY: Who decides when you run out of interns to throw?

BRIN:  That’s not possible. OK? We have free Odwalla in the coolers.

PLAYBOY: I see. How are you "not evil"?

BRIN: In an Isaac Hayes sort of way, before he left the South Park cast due to Scientology concerns.

PAGE:   I wonder if we can get  Jerome "Chef” McElroy as the Google Chef now that he has left South Park Elementary school?

BRIN: I doubt he cooks vegan.

PLAYBOY:  What about these rumors that Google will buy Sun? Daniel M Harrison has speculated: "The prospects that search engine giant Google is due to buy the U.S.’s most sophisticated hardware company (sic) have been swirling around trading floors and Silicon Valley…  "Google is going into Financial Services and Healthcare!" …This is the last stage of the Java project!"

BRIN: This article originally appeared on Iowa Voice "the U.S.’s largest Republican blog." People are unclear whether the source is the most popular Republican blog, or a blog for large Republicans. Now before anyone jumps to conclusions, we do not favor any political party.  We are just as likely to make a fool out of Al Gore and his Current TV mess. But when you combine Sun and overweight Republicans, well, the situation is target rich…

PAGE:  There is a far greater chance of  Scott McNealy catching a snipe with that burlap sack than Google buying Sun.  [Rich white men high five and run off to the volleyball court ending the interview].

 

 

 

Restaurant Rant: Celtic Bayou

Friday evening… we decide to ditch our usual haunt at the Northwest Brewhouse and try something new. Given our great experience at an Irish pub recently (JJ Mahoney’s at Bella Botega), we think that Celtic Bayou ‘Irish Brewpub and Cajun Café’ is worth a shot. Boy, were we mistaken! So, here’s my rant:

 

Name: Celtic Bayou Irish Brewpub and Cajun Café

 

Location: 7281 West Lake Sammamish Pkwy NE, Redmond, WA

 

Our Order: Sheppard Pie, something else that was like uncooked meat, Chocolate Brownie and a light beer.

 

Pros:

1. Reasonable ambience. More crowded than the Northwest Brewhouse

2. The beer was half-decent.

 

Cons:

1.       The food SUCKED. There aren’t too many times I’ve not been able to eat what’s served to me at a restaurant (and most of them have been in financially depressing times in College) and this was one of them! The meat was raw, the veggies were tasteless and the only thing edible were the mashed potatoes!

2.       The Guinness I ordered never arrived!

 

To summarize, a totally forgettable experience. I half wish I didn’t blog this and somehow forgot all about that place earlier!

DRM Schmee-R-M

Problem:

The Wife hears a hot new hiphop tune on TV and wants a copy for herself.
Given that we’re entertaining some friends later in the day, bonus points for
getting them to listen to it as well.

 

Ye Olde Solution:

In the good old days, this meant

  1. A
    drive down to the local music store.
  2. Buying
    the CD (or *gasp* Audio Cassette) for $12.99
  3. Scurrying
    back home and
  4. Playing
    it on The Wife’s Walkman or CD player.
  5. and for
    the Bonus Points, on the Home Stereo when guests arrive.

Total costs: 1 hour of dressing up and driving around. $12.99 for 12
songs I didn’t want and irreparable harm to the environment in CO emissions,
plastic bags and packaging material.

 

Bottomline: All the driving around and spending $12.99 for a CD where
you liked only a single song sucks! But atleast you now have a physical copy of
the song that you can play wherever whenever you choose, can lend to like-minded
friends, can make a copy of to play in The Car and so on… provided the CD never
gets scratched, stolen or otherwise missing.

 

The iModern iSolution 360

As a geek, I

  1. Fire
    up my laptop
  2. Being
    a Law-abiding RIAA-fearing citizen, choose to fire up iTunes instead of
    BitTorrent
  3. Search
    for the song
  4. Provide
    Apple with my credit card number and…
  5. 30
    seconds later, I have an .m4p (??) song on my hard disk that instantly
    syncs over USB 2.0 to The Wife’s iPod.

So far, so good… right? Except that I want the Bonus Points and now have
to figure out how to get the m4p song playing on my home theater system.
Obvious solutions like hooking the iPod up to the system through a
2.5mm->component audio cable or Physical solutions like burning the m4p onto
a CD and playing it on the DVD player are totally out of the question since they
require dealing with the ‘analog hole’.

So, I think to myself… hey, this is easy. The Xbox 360 supports iPods,
right? So, all I have to do is hook the iPod upto the Xbox and I’ll have remote
controllable, hifi audio playing through my home theater system with a visualization
playing on the TV to boot!

So, I hook the iPod upto the Xbox. The Xbox downloads the update it
needs to support the iPod and then… the song I just bought doesn’t show up in
the Xbox’s Music menu! Another song from the same band that I had earlier..err…
ripped as mp3 onto the iPod shows up. Then it finally strikes me.. Of Course… ‘protected’
music can’t be played on any device… So, I go back to the PC and google for converters
for 30 minutes before I find some app that uses the iTunes extensibility mode
to attempt decoding the song to mp3. After it sucked up 100% CPU for 20 minutes
or so without any visible (audible?) output, it gave up… and so did I

 

How to spend $500,000 in 24 hours…

Saturday 1545: D & me drive over to 85th Street to meet Dale at the first house we were looking at this weekend.

Saturday 1755: 2 hours and 30 miles later, we’re on E Lake Sammamish – at our 6th house for the day and our 9th one this week.

Saturday 1805: We’re impressed by the sweeping views of the Lake and the warm colors at this recently constructed 1910 sqft townhouse.

Saturday 1830: We’re back at home and decide to make an offer.

Sunday 1005: I drive over to Dale’s office to sign the paperwork and write a check for the EMD. Dale tells us he’ll be faxing the documents in an hour or so…

Sunday 1530: Dale calls us to let us know that our offer’s been accepted!

Sunday 1545: As the realization sinks in, I wonder whether we’re poorer by half-a-million dollars or whether we’re just about to be enriched by the joy of home-ownership!

So, we should be closing on the 25th and moving early April.

Restaurant Review: Casuelita’s Caribbean Cafe

Name: Casuelita’s Caribbean Café

Location: 81 Vine St, Seattle, WA

Our Order: 4 different Tapas – the Jamaican Patties, the Jerk Chicken Chop
Up, the Rum Glazed Jumbo Prawns (Camarones Barachos) and the Shantytown
Ribs.

Pros:

  • Great ambience: Colorful décor, cozy interiors. Has a fun feel about it.
  • Delicious food: An exotic blend of spicy West Indian, Latin American & Mexican tapas and entrees. The chicken chop up was especially delicious.
  • Knock-out cocktails: The ‘Zombie’ with its 151 proof Bacardi and something else I can’t remember were simply delicious! They had a long list of rums including samplers which we didn’t try.


Cons:

  • Sloooow: We had to wait for 30 minutes even though we had a reservation. Everything took longer than expected – the food was cold when it arrived, the check took ages to get to us, our water glasses was often empty. The delay meant we could have long conversations and it helped that we weren’t hungry, but it’s not a place I’d recommend to those in a hurry.
  • Slightly noisy: It could just have been the fun-loving crowd at the bar but the restaurant isn’t somewhere you’d go for a quiet night out.


Bottomline: The great food and fun ambience makes it a place you could go back to again and again and not get bored.

Rating: B for the good food and slow service.